Agenda and minutes

Transportation Advisory Group - Wednesday 26 October 2022 10.00 a.m.

Venue: Microsoft Teams Meeting

Contact: Dawn Mitchell, Governance Adviser 

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Minutes of the previous meeting held on 27th July, 2022 pdf icon PDF 229 KB


Consideration was given to the minutes of the previous meeting held on 27th July, 2022.


Agreed:-  That the minutes of the meeting held on 27th July, 2022, be approved as a true record of proceedings.


Matters arising from the previous minutes


There were no matters arising from the previous minutes.


Questions on Transport Issues pdf icon PDF 305 KB


The Transportation Advisory Group noted the questions and answers on transport matters that had been submitted in advance of the meeting that had been included in the agenda pack.


In response to the question submitted and answer received, Councillor Pitchley felt that the answer regarding the No. 26 bus route had not really addressed the issue around it.  A lot of the service users were elderly but had no particular mobility issues other than the fact that they did not drive and would not meet the criteria for Community Transport.  The removal of the service was impacting a large community and, whilst appreciating that all the services were struggling, it was of concern when the shopping complex was contacting Ward Councillors expressing their concern. 


Agreed:-  (1)  That more information be requested from SYMCA as to the reasoning for the change of service.


In response to the question submitted and answer received, Councillor Bennett-Sylvester expressed concern with regard to the answer received to his first question regarding the lack of information at Rotherham Interchange etc. The small number of customers that did not have access to the internet tended to be ones that were dependent on public transport.  When new information came out that it was available in a format that the older demographic or those that did not have access to the internet could use.


Councillor Bennett-Sylvester reported that since the last meeting, the No. 116 service had been reinstated.  Whilst the great overarching consultation taking place was good, it was felt that discussions at a local level would aid knowledge of commerciality of services.


John Young, Stagecoach, stated that his company would welcome greater input from the community to increase the understanding of local need.  It was a very difficult time for transport operators but assured the Group that the withdrawal of a service was a last resort after all options/alternatives had been explored.


Agreed:-  (2)  That the Chair contact SYMCA due to the frequency of changes and the need for members of the public to be aware of what bus services were available/their schedule and improved communication with communities/Ward Councillors.


Following the deadline for questions, the following questions were submitted by Councillor Bacon which was agreed by the Chairman:-


Question 1.  Would you agree that updating twitter rather than the app for cancellations was not good enough?


Question 2.  Would you agree that there were no excuses for arriving earlier than scheduled?


Question 3.  Live bus signs were ultimately the best way of keeping users up-to-date with live information on timings and cancellations.  What has a Ward such as Aston and Todwick with an elderly demographic not on the list to receive them?


John Young, Stagecoach, answered with regard to questions 1 and 2.  Twitter was routinely updated but accepted and understood that it was only going to reach a small minority of customers.  The app ought to work better and work was ongoing to resolve the problems.  Once the office team knew that a journey had to  ...  view the full minutes text for item 23.


South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority Transport - Update


There was no representation from the SYMCA at the meeting.


Bus Operators - Update


(1)       First Group

(2)       Stagecoach

(3)       Rotherham Community Transport




-        Approximately 70-71% of pre-Covid level.  Daily payers slightly above that with children and young people having come back a lot stronger (just over 100%)

-        Concessions was down at approximately 60%

-        These trends were broadly replicated across the country

-        Weekend travel had come back stronger thought primarily due to the leisure market returning

-        Sundays were running at approximately 85% of pre-Covid levels

-        It was a really challenging environment for operators due to the significant cost increases of wages/fuel/parts



-        Of the 5 Stagecoach depots, 4 in South Yorkshire and one in North Derbyshire, there were 40 driver vacant positions.  However, the situation was no worse than other operators

-        Rawmarsh depot had done an excellent job in the current difficult times, however, there had been a number of leavers and the amount of lost mileage had increased.  Measures were in place in an attempt to address the situation and discussions with Trade Unions had taken place.  Drivers from other areas had been drafted in to help in the short term

-        The training school was busy.  Drivers could be recruited but the training took time; as fast as new drivers were trained people were leaving.  Exit interviewed were conducted and there was an understanding of the reasons why people left but it was a very difficult time for the industry as a whole


Discussion ensued with the following issues raised and an explanation provided:-


·        There had been service changes as from 2nd October.  Stagecoach was still in receipt of some funding from the Government (Bus Recovery Grant), however, there had had to be some withdrawal of services.  The Nos. 220 and 222 services had withdrawn as they had been extremely marginal services pre-Covid.  Post-pandemic, when buses were 30% less people, they were sustainable services.  The Grant guidance was very clear that it could not be used to prop up services that had no realistic prospect of becoming viable in the future.  Stagecoach had shared their proposals with the SYMCA and the No. 223 service around Wath was introduced as a partial replacement for the original 222


·        When contracts had come up for tender as from 2nd October, taking the staffing position at that time into account, Stagecoach had bid for 3 routes – Nos. 21, 135 and 137 – day time only – as it was felt not to be in a position to cover evenings and Sundays as well.  The 135 and 137 were previously provided by First.  No. 21 was a combination of 3 routes and serviced by a single decker bus, as per the tender submitted,  as Rawmarsh depot did not operate double decker buses. 


·        As stated above the No. 21 was serviced by a single decker bus.  Put in a temporary fix which started last weekend with the timetable amended slightly.  A conversation was required with SYMCA as to how it would work.  Some journeys were known to be extremely busy so extra resources would be  ...  view the full minutes text for item 25.


Railway Operators - Update


Lisa Maloney, Northern Railway, gave the following verbal update:-


-        Customer numbers had suffered recently compared to pre-Covid due to the funeral of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and recent strikes.  Previously it had been approximately 80% but over the last month had decreased to 65% 


-        Autumn was always a difficult period with leaves on line which did affect performance.   For the period to date on time was 60%, within 3 minutes arrival  80%, 15 minutes arrival 98% and 3.5% cancellations


-        There were still a lot of ongoing issues with the Settle-Carlisle line with the freight derailment and the Cross Pennine Express which had knock on effects to this area


-        3 more strikes were planned for 3rd, 5th and 7th November (it was thought that the 3rd would change as it was the Royal British Legion’s London Poppy Day).  At present they were RMT strikes with the drivers’ unison, ASLEF, not having announced any dates as yet.  If it was RMT only then a contingency service could be run as the drivers were not striking


-        The December 2022 timetable was launching which included the re-introduction of the services in the Rotherham area which were removed due to training issues etc. in May 2022. The Rotherham-Doncaster service was going back to an hourly service.  Northern Railways had been instructed by the DfT to use December 2021 as its base timetable of the services that should be provided


Agreed:-  That the update be noted.


Doncaster Sheffield Airport - Update


The Chair reported that, on behalf of the Council, he had attended the last meeting of the stakeholders that was held on a quarterly basis.  The last flight out of the airport was next week.


Agreed:-  That this item be removed from future agendas.


RMBC Transportation Unit - Updates



Andrew Moss, Head of Transport Infrastructure, gave the following verbal update:-


-        Bus service changes – Following concerns received of local residents, the Service was working with the team at SYMCA to try and identify a solution and some kind of modified service was often offered.  On some occasions it was where services had not yet been replaced most likely due to the tendering process


-        Transport infrastructure – A number of schemes were almost at completion i.e. Parkway Widening Scheme and the A630 Widening Scheme.  The Bellows Road Scheme was now complete as well as Greasbrough Coach Road


-        Developing Future Schemes – City Region Sustainable Transport Settlement Fund (CRST) .  Rotherham would receive £70M+ over 5 years and replaced the Transport Block funding.  The Service was looking at assembling the resources to develop business cases for future schemes primarily focussed around public transport improvements, journey reliability and access/congestion of junctions on key routes across the Rotherham area


-        The other emphasis within the CRST was the development of business cases for Rotherham mainline station at Parkgate and a new station at Waverley.  These would complement the public transport ethos of how the CRST programme was being promoted


-        The TCF schemes were progressing with some successes.  The Doncaster Road Scheme was a potential less successful scheme due to engineering blockages having been identified causing cost pressures on the proposed scheme and bringing the whole scheme into doubt 


-        Other schemes progressing on the TCF programme through the various stages of consultation and design for Sheffield Road and consultation was to start on Manvers Way Scheme as well as on  Maltby quality bus corridor


-        Funding – During the summer Active Travel Fund 4 had been released and, together with colleagues at SYMCAS, the team had begun to identify potential  routes to develop bids to that programme.  Due to the uncertainty in Central Government, it was not known whether Active Travel 4 would continue or not, however, there would be a short list of schemes for consideration of inclusion in the SYMCA submission to Government.


-        3 schemes were nearing completion related to the Clean Air Zone priorities in South Yorkshire (Rotherham and Sheffield) – Wortley Road (weight restriction), Parkway Widening Scheme (speed limitations) and Bellows Road (bus lane priority junction)


Discussion ensued on the Bellows Road bus lane priority junction.  Rawmarsh Ward Councillors had been told at the beginning of the development that the Government had not liked all the buses going up Rawmarsh Hill causing fumes so an alternative would be to use Barbers Avenue and was why junction improvement works had taken place at a cost of 2.5M.   Now bus companies were saying that they would still use Rawmarsh Hill.


Andrew Moss stated that it had been a Central Government mandate to consider air quality in urban areas.  Clean Air Zones and policies had been developed,  in particular within South Yorkshire, to meet certain levels of air quality standard.  However, since the development of the scheme,  ...  view the full minutes text for item 28.


Any other business


Date and time of the next meeting

Wednesday, 1st February, 2023, at 10.00 a.m.


Agreed:-  That a further meeting be held on Wednesday, 1st February, 2023, commencing at 10.00 a.m. via Microsoft Teams.